Lore talk:Pits

Oblivion Info

"All known information acquired about The Pit's appearance in TES IV Oblivion may be falsely assumed, as never once does Peryite refer to the realm that his followers were trapped in as his own plane during the quest, but rather 'a plane of oblivion'. Indeed, it may be possible that Peryite's followers had their souls trapped in either the Deadlands instead, given the close resemblance, a pocket realm adjacent to it, or one of Boethia's closely resembling arena realms."

Moved this from the page. The editor was correct in that Peryite never does refer to it as being his own Plane (see Oblivion:Peryite). However, the area itself is called the Realm of Peryite. I think they have a fair point where there is reasonable doubt if it was truly the Pits themselves, and not just some other realm seemingly under his control. I don't think the information should be removed, but I think we should outright state that it was called a "Realm of Peryite" instead. So for example:

"What little that has been seen of the realm resembles the Deadlands, with lava seas, volcanic islands and ruined structures."

Would become:

"One known Plane of Oblivion associated with Peryite is the Realm of Peryite, which bears a similarity to the Deadlands. The Realm was filled with lava seas, volcanic islands, and ruined structures.

That's where I landed on it, at least. I can easily see valid arguments for other solutions, so I moved it to talk first. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 18:16, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

There is absolutely zero doubt that the realm entered in Oblivion is the Pits. This Devil's advocate approach would discount a whole host of other realm appearances, such as the Realm of Clavicus Vile in Redguard not technically being called the Fields of Regret, a term that wasn't invented until later in the series. The fact of the matter is that "realm of x" is a common way to refer to the Princely realms. At the time of Oblivion's release, Peryite's realm was officially nameless and was only referred to as the Pits in a Michael Kirkbride text. It wasn't until Skyrim that the name was canonized. Furthermore, it is total speculation to assume Peryite controls more than one plane of Oblivion without any source to back that up.

Retroactively going back and delegitimizing earlier appearances due to Deadlands asset reuse is entirely incorrect. Next we will be claiming the Realm of Boethia in Oblivion wasn't technically Snake Mount, even though we see in ESO that the Deadlands aesthetic has actually been maintained. Like it or not, this is what Peryite's realm looks like. —⁠Legoless (talk) 18:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Agreed with Legoless, we can't say that Peryite has more than one realm, that would be just as baseless a claim as the other way around. Furthermore, "Realm of Peryite" seems just to be a collective name of the Oblivion plane of Peryite, not the specific name of a realm of Peryite. --Ilaro (talk) 00:02, 20 February 2021 (UTC)