Lore talk:Cloud Top

Removing Original Research

There's no evidence at all that Cloud Top and the Temple of Alma Ruma are intended to be the same location at all. The geography doesn't really match at all, the temple ruins are wildly different and there's no textual evidence of a connection. I've removed this as original research, since "they are roughly in the same area" is not a good enough reason to include them, especially since this boils down to original research. Jeancey (talk) 16:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I think there's been some misunderstanding. Cloud Top does not refer to the temple or ruins, but the mountain itself. This was cleared up a while ago as we agreed that the temple isn't for certain the same building as the ruins, the ruins themselves are irrelevant. This page is about the mountain, and both buildings were at some point found on the mountain. We use the roughly the same area thing a lot in many pages, particularly Skyrim and Cyrodiil locations, due to the re-used heightmaps. I'm sure we can all agree the mountain we see in Oblivion is the same one we see in ESO. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 18:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

I didn't include info on the Scroll Temple when I created this article because I do agree that the geography is a little bit fuzzy. ESO changed the landscape a lot for the DC PvP base in that area, and the concept of Cloud Top as a mountain didn't really survive. That said, the Temple is in the same place as the mountain in Oblivion, so it's not inconsistent with how we treat other such cases (e.g. Lore:Karthwatch vs Lore:Broken Tower Redoubt).

Personally I think deleting the Temple info outright is not the correct way to handle this. I would prefer to see a split. There's no original research here, it's just sometimes better to have one article rather than two when discussing a general area's history. —⁠Legoless (talk) 22:43, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Not only does the environment match (Imperial ruins, higher elevation on the Hammerfell border), but so does the location with how it lines up damn near perfectly with Lipsand Tarn and Hrotanda Vale. I will agree some things are a bit wonky (OB Fort Rayles on top of the Alma Ruma Gate, Black Rock Caverns on top of ON Fort Rayles), but ON Fort Rayles clearly emulates Black Rock Caverns' watery entrance, as does the Alma Ruma Gate emulate being an Imperial border tower. Despite names changing, these are all the same locations; ESO information absolutely deserves a place on this page, even if just in the notes section. --Rezalon (talk) 01:04, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Agree with Rezalon here. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 01:08, 18 March 2025 (UTC)