Lore talk:Multiraciality

Oreyn / Bloodlines

I do think bloodlines like the Oreyn family belong here, but with the possibility of lines only including separate races via second marriages, step-children, or adoptions, I think they should be mentioned in a separate section than the standard race marks. The Septim, Karoodil, and technically the Grey-Mane & Battle-Born clans (Atmoran --> Nord, separate races per 'The Origin of Cyrus!' though I would absolutely understand omitting them and Yokudans) would belong in such a section. Mindtrait0r (talk) 02:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC).

I'd consider yokudan to redguard and atmoran to nord bloodlines different. Cause that would be true of literally every redguard and every nord. Every Nord comes from Atmorans originally and and every Redguard comes from Yokudans.Tarponpet (talk) 02:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Nevermind on this, after reviewing the sources I no longer have any doubt that there were definitely Bosmer-Dunmer pairings within the bloodline. Mindtrait0r (talk) 02:10, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Fibs

• Alchemy, a member of the House of Reveries, once fibbed that those born to a Dragon and a mortal can turn into a creature called a wyvern during a full moon.{{ref|name=Alchemy|[[ON:Alchemy (person)|Alchemy]]'s dialogue in [[ESO:Summerset (Chapter)|ESO: ''Summerset'']]}}

I've removed this one from the page. A lie once told by an actor does not appear to be loreworthy to me. —⁠Legoless (talk) 20:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Wyverns do appear to be at least partially recognized outside of Alchemy's tale. In Arena, Jagar Tharn has a spell named Wyvern's Sting. So Alchemy is the only source we have on what a wyvern is, and although the context of her quote makes it obvious that it is a lie, it could still be true that wyverns are at least believed to be the progeny of a mortal and a dragon. I think a mention in the notes or Other section could make sense, provided the relevant counter-source of it being claimed that dragons don't reproduce is also included. Mindtrait0r (talk) 23:55, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I think a mention in the notes could work as well, as long as its mentioned that the claim is a lie. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 07:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Castles Lore

Rahim al-Elinhir and Davilia Beleth are characters in TES: Castles. They have two children, of which one is Dunmer and one is Redguard. This would be noteworthy on this page for two reasons. One, as an instance of Dunmer-Nord offsoring, and two, as a reference to prove that same-parent siblings can be different races.

Castles is a dubious source, but I think this info belongs here because the characters are present at the start of the game, making them canon characters per current wiki precedent of Lore:Odar. This contrasts with the often brought up Khajiit/Argonian parenting mechanics, as those fall within the umbrella of gameplay and thus warrant disinclusion. Mindtrait0r (talk) 17:14, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I co-sign this as I agree it falls under what appears to be the general consensus with what’s lore worthy and what’s highly dubious with Castles at the moment in the things that are present at the start of all play throughs such as this and Odar. Dcking20 (talk) 17:52, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree that the starting characters should all be considered canonical inhabitants of Odar's kingdom/castle and such yes. I agree with their inclusion in this page. Tarponpet (talk) 19:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree that that part of Castles does not seem like mechanic and is in fact motivated by (vestigial) story part of this game. The initial sequence of the game with starting characters seems like the part that can be taken for granted.Tyrvarion (talk) 20:29, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good, great to get some bit of lore out of this game. —⁠Legoless (talk) 21:07, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

It's been added. Mindtrait0r (talk) 00:18, 24 May 2024 (UTC)